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Perseverance of the saints

In short
  • S13.1 Regenerate can fall; final perseverance cannot be known with certainty (high)

From the study it came from: Agree that grace comes first; diverge on predestination, where the fathers were divided among themselves.

Two separate measures, shown side by side; neither is combined with the other (confidence-weighted, out of 4; counts show how many of this doctrine's 1 questions each rests on). This doctrine is second-order (tier weight 2). How scoring works · Scripture and tradition · Glossary · Every score with its citation

Closeness to Scripture

1 Lutheran 75% 1/1 q
2 Anglican 75% 1/1 q
3 Presbyterian 75% 1/1 q
4 Reformed Baptist 75% 1/1 q
5 General Baptist 75% 1/1 q
6 Catholic 50% 1/1 q
7 Orthodox 50% 1/1 q
8 Oriental Orthodox 50% 1/1 q
9 Anabaptist 50% 1/1 q

Closeness to the fathers

1 Catholic 100% 1/1 q
2 Orthodox 100% 1/1 q
3 Oriental Orthodox 100% 1/1 q
4 Lutheran 100% 1/1 q
5 Anabaptist 100% 1/1 q
6 Anglican 75% 1/1 q
7 General Baptist 50% 1/1 q
8 Presbyterian 25% 1/1 q
9 Reformed Baptist 25% 1/1 q
Charts: closeness to the fathers by question, and timeline
Closeness to the fathers, by question (0–4). Hatched = not assessed in the category file. Click a question for its verdict.
01234Catholic · S13.1: 4/4 — Listed under 'closest to the fathers on': S13.14Orthodox · S13.1: 4/4 — Believers can fall away4Oriental Orthodox · S13.1: 4/4 — Believers can fall (to verify)4Lutheran · S13.1: 4/4 — Listed under 'closest to the fathers on': S13.14Anglican · S13.1: 3/4 — Art. XVI: 'we may depart from grace given'; Art. XVII offers comfort of election3Presbyterian · S13.1: 1/4 — Listed under 'departs or sharpens on': S13.1 assurance of perseverance1Reformed Baptist · S13.1: 1/4 — 1689 17.1: 'can neither totally nor finally fall from the state of grace'1General Baptist · S13.1: 2/4 — Standards conflict: Orthodox Creed art. 36 says the elect 'shall certainly persevere unto Eternal Life' (OCR-verified); SC 1660 art. 18: true believers 'may nevertheless for want of watchfulness, swerve and turn aside ... and become as withered Branches'2Anabaptist · S13.1: 4/4 — Dordrecht XVI: a baptised member may sin 'unto death ... forfeiting the kingdom of God'4S13.1conf. high
CatholicOrthodoxOriental OrthodoxLutheranAnglicanPresbyterianReformed BaptistGeneral BaptistAnabaptistnot assessed
When the cited witnesses spoke (approximate dates) and where later traditions fixed their positions. Filled dot = consensus question; hollow orange = a question on which the fathers varied. Each item links to its source note or post-750 note.
1002003004005006007001000125015001700post-750 (compressed)Augustine (c. 415) · S13.1Augustinec. 415 · S13.1Augustine (c. 415) · S13.1Augustinec. 415 · S13.1Trent VI (1547) · CatholicTrent VI1547 · CatholicFormula of Concord (1577) · LutheranFormula of Concord1577 · LutheranWestminster Confession (1646) · PresbyterianWestminster Confession1646 · PresbyterianConfession of Dositheus (1672) · OrthodoxConfession of Dositheus1672 · Orthodox
  1. c. 415 Augustine S13.1
  2. c. 415 Augustine S13.1
  3. 1547 Trent VI Catholic
  4. 1577 Formula of Concord Lutheran
  5. 1646 Westminster Confession Presbyterian
  6. 1672 Confession of Dositheus Orthodox

S13 · Perseverance of the saints

Can a true believer finally fall away?

Tier: Second-order (scoring weight 2). How the tiers were set: theological triage. Site structure: structure.

Questions

  • S13.1 Perseverance (was salvation/S4)

Verdicts and trace

S13.1 · Perseverance

QuestionVerdictConfidenceReasoningKey sourcesScripture (benchmark)
S13.1Regenerate can fall; final perseverance cannot be known with certaintyHigh (Augustine)S13.1.1 · S13.1.3 weighingaugustine-sal-s3 · augustine-sal-s4S13.1.4: low-medium

Post-750 development

Which of this doctrine’s questions each tradition stays closest to, or departs from. Each row links to the tradition’s notes.

TraditionClosest to the fathers onDeparts or sharpens on
CatholicS13.1—
Orthodox——
Oriental OrthodoxS13.1—
LutheranS13.1—
Anglicanpartly S13.1—
Presbyterian—S13.1 assurance of perseverance
Reformed Baptist—S13.1
General BaptistS13.1partly S13.1
AnabaptistS13.1—

Origin

Plan, overall verdict and verification status of the former salvation category (shared with the other doctrines that came from it)

Salvation: grace, free will, predestination, perseverance

Method and conventions: docs/conventions.md. Reasoning: salvation reasoning.

1. Plan

Questions: S1 grace and the beginning of faith; S2 free will; S3 predestination; S4 perseverance and assurance. The ground and form of justification are covered in justification and not repeated here. Sources: Justin, 1 Apol. 43; Irenaeus AH IV.37; Origen, De Principiis III.1; Cassian, Conf. 13; Augustine, Predestination of the Saints, Gift of Perseverance, Rebuke and Grace; Orange 529. Planned but not yet read: Prosper, Call of All Nations; Chrysostom on Rom 9; John of Damascus II.25–30; Gottschalk (post-750). Scripture: Rom 8–9; Eph 1–2; John 6, 10; Phil 1:6, 29; Heb 6:4–6; 1 Tim 2:4.

2. Verdicts and trace

Weighed under the source-proximity principle: Scripture first, then the father tiers T1–T4. Verdict changes are listed in docs/proximity-changes.md.

3. Post-750 development

4. Overall verdict

Catholic closest overall (Orange plus Trent canons 4 and 15–17 follow Augustine closely on S4). Lutheran is close on S1, S3 and S4. Orthodox is closest on S2 and the earlier S3 line. Presbyterian departs on S4 and on double predestination. Confidence: medium. S3 is split, and the Greek fathers are thinly verified.

5. Verification status

  • Verified: Justin, Irenaeus, Cassian, Augustine (3 works), Orange c. 5, Trent VI cc. 4 and 15–17, Dositheus 3, FC SD XI.8, WCF III.3 and XVII.1.
  • To verify: Origen III.1 detail and Comm. Rom. 8:29; the conclusion of Orange; Prosper; Chrysostom on Rom 9; John of Damascus II; Luther, Bondage of the Will; FC on the regenerate falling away; LSB English.